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COMPASSIONATE MAYOR ELMO SMITH

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Voters in Ontario elected Smit... Voters in Ontario elected Smith mayor in 1940, and returned him to office for a second term in 1942. He resigned in 1943 in order to enlist in the U.S. Navy during the Second World War. Upon returning to Ontario, its citizens returned Smith to the mayor's office.
 Growing up in the Treasure Valley of Western Idaho and Eastern Oregon and graduating from Ontario High School, my Aunt Ethel told me this story with emphasis about how grateful she and the community felt about Mayor Elmo Smith. 

When Executive Order 9066 was signed in 1942, unlike the Governor of Idaho and mayors of the other small towns nearby, Mayor Smith declared, “If it’s necessary to remove those of Japanese heritage from the West Coast for security reasons, they have to have a place to go.”   And he welcomed Japanese to Ontario.
 
Ontario, Oregon, is a small area of Eastern Oregon, on the Snake River that divides Idaho and Oregon, not far from Boise, Idaho. Smith, orphaned at age 13, grew up with an uncle near Wilder. He supported himself financially and graduated from the College of Idaho. He founded the Ontario Observer newspaper in 1936 before he was elected Mayor of Ontario in 1940. 
 
Ninety miles north of Ontario, Baker City Japanese were forced to leave and many of them moved to the Ontario area. Aunt Ethel’s family was one of those Baker City Japanese families. Ontario area Japanese were also considered for removal, but Aunt Ethel again explained, “Mayor Elmo Smith stood up for them.”
 
When the incarceration camps like Minidoka, in Idaho, closed in 1945; Ontario was where many started over. My Grandpa K, his sons, Ben and Frank, with Uncle Ted started a grocery business, Ontario Fish Market, in 1945 with delivery services out a 50-mile radius of the Treasure Valley. When Uncle Ted died in his crushed van in 1947, my dad became the FISH MAN out of ONTARIO MARKET. 
 
The 1949 Ontario High School Annual shows that 15% of the students have Japanese names. Ontario population at that time was around 4500. Also, I counted the Ontario Evergreen Cemetery names in 1995 and found 10% of the names were Japanese.
 
As I research the Japanese Experience in the Pacific Northwest and visit small towns, it is clear that most first generation Japanese immigrants who stayed in America were very entrepreneurial. Valuing American freedom, most immigrant farmers were from established families in Japan where getting along, culture and education were high priorities. Getting to know the mayor and chief of police is characteristic of most of the stories I am hearing. 
 
Ontario Citizens were drawn to this Eastern Oregon community from Canada, Spain, Mexico, Japan - the Japanese because the Owyhee Dam, completed around 1930, provided irrigation for row crop farming. My family moved to the area in October 1937.  Maybe there is something in Ontario air and water, but a surprising number have gone back out to the world, becoming major contributors.
 
Elmo Smith later became Governor of Oregon. Our 1956 Class President Loren Cox was head of Asia and Africa with Peace Corp. Calvin Tanabe was one of Portland’s leading Neurosurgeons.  Ray Dickerson escorted Colin Powell around Saudi Arabia. From Ontario are two Washington State Senators, Jim Honeyford and Steve Conway. Marvin Harada, Bishop of Buddhist Churches of America, says he was born in Ontario.
 
What a heritage example of “doing the right thing” people like Elmo Smith provides for today’s communities, a mantra we can pass on to future generations.

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COFFEE WITH JOSEPH OPONG WHO LOVES AMERICA

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Joseph is adamant about being... Joseph is adamant about being American and says, "Everyone wants to come to America because it's the most generous and compassionate country in the world!"
Today, I had coffee with Joseph Opong who lives in Bellevue and is retired from his work with the APL shipping company.  Joseph is part of the Ghana Asanti tribe and fled his country around 1985 because of political issues.
 
He was a ship Captain in the Ghana Navy and befriended Peace Corp Worker, Jonathan Gordon. who impressed him with his genuine curiosity about Ghana.  When Joseph was forced to flee his country and came to the USA, he looked up the Gordon family in Rhode Island, explaining to me, "They were White and they were so kind and helpful!" He was subsequently able to bring his wife and four daughters to this country and came to work in the Seattle area. Education was important and Joseph completed an Economics degree at Seattle University. 
 
The Asante Tribe is the largest  of the many native Ghana tribes and are in the middle area of that country, about the size of Washington State. Joseph says, "The Asante control land ownership more than the government." Opong would be a Chief back home during ceremonial activities because his grandma was a Queen and he is the only one left of his sibblings.
 
Ghanaians have an easier time adapting to life in the United States than other immigrants because their homeland of Ghana has the English language as the official language and it is spoken by the majority of Ghana's population.
 
An interesting part of our conversation was that he prefers America to England because, "Americans are more independent and not as clannish as older countries like England, France and other European places." Ghanians are dispora.
 
Ghana is now democratic, but Joseph prefers to stay in America and is a naturalized citizen!

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MINIDOKA PILGRIMAGE - INCARCERATION MEMORIES

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Bus to Twin Falls, Idaho - Min... Bus to Twin Falls, Idaho - Minidoka Pilgrimage - for WWII Japanese Incarceration
Over 200 participated in the 3 1/2 day sessions from all corners of the USA.
Passing by my Dad's 30 acre ... Passing by my Dad's 30 acre farm on Sand Hollow Rd.
I started school at Notus. Our address was Rt 5, Caldwell, ID. 5th grade, we moved to Ontario, OR.
Our family migrated in 1937, I was born in Bully Creek, OR, in 1939, but our families moved every year looking for better ground for row crop farming, after being discriminated out of the Dairy Business; once supplying as much as 1/2 of Seattle's milk supply in the 1910-1920s.
 
 
 
To the organizers and volunteers who organized the 2024 Minidoka Pilgrimage:
 
 
Thank you for creating this pilgrimage to remember and heal.   9000 were incarcerated in Minidoka with as little as 1/16th Japanese blood after Executive Order 9066 was signed by President Roosevelt, on February 19, 1942 because of political reasons. No one of Japanese heritage, here in the USA, were legally found to have reason for their incarceration. Similar to those of us on this bus trip, we only have what we can carry!
 
Impressed with how I was taken care of by all of you organizers!!  I was tested positive for Covid on Sunday morning as we were about to load busses for the trip back to Seattle. Those of us with Covid had our own Infirmary Bus. THIS IS TRUE COMPASSION! It needs to be put into a story?? What is it in our heritage that inspires all of you to give your time and energy to this event? When we got to Yakima to change drivers, Tony wouldn’t take “I don’t know" for an answer when he asked me, “Will I see you next year?"
 
Every step of the way, I was constantly asked, by all you young volunteers, if I needed anything and such.  A half dozen of us decided to have dinner on Friday night,  at IDAHO JOE's and Dale Watanabe arranged for this bus and driver to be our “taxi” to dinner! Nothing like the homemade, with extra flaky crust, Boysenberry pie with Ice cream that we shared!”
 
David Sakura was one of the speakers and 27 or 28 members of his Sakura clan came from all over the US to support him. According to one of the nieces, "...because this may be one of his last.". His nephew, Fred Sakura”s Dad, Chip, was one of my Dad, Sago Miyamoto’s, best friends from Eatonville High School.  Fred says, "I was 1-yr-old when we went to camp." Our family had moved out to Idaho area in 1937 and we were not incarcerated. But I remember, one winter when I was 4-yrs-old, we visited Minadoka from Sand Hollow and slept on the floor with blankets in their barrack. 
 
Kay Endo, also one of speakers, talked about being in the 4th grade class taught by the Murakami Sisters from Higo 10 Cent Store. He said, "The Porland kids and the Seattle kids kind of didn't get along, but 'Q-Ball' (George Kiuchi) was always pleasant to everyone.".  I see George, who was my husband’s good friend on the Chihara Bowling Team here in Seattle. I see George regularly at the Nisei Vet’s lunch once a month and will share that he was talked about. Keith Yamaguchi who organizes the Nisei Lunches was also at the Minidoka Pilgrimage as he has been one of the organizers all these years.
 
Polly and John Shigaki attended my session about OMOIDE and how we are collecting STORIES OF CAMPASSION of people "who helped each other" - also from the general community - during the hard times of discrimination and incarceration. My Aunt Ethel was so grateful for help from the Shigaki family because she was so poor. She was their “house girl” and was given sewing lessons by Mrs. Shigaki, before WWII. Aunt Ethel sent them an Easter Basket every years and Polly’s husband John agreed that was a highlight in their after incarceration years as he was growing up. Polly took me aside later at one of our Minadoka events and says she wants to come to some of our OMOIDE writing classes that we have at the JCCCW, in Seattle, the third Saturday of every month, starting at 1pm.
 
Thanks for a wonderful memorable event, gang, and for all your work! Had a great time!

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STORY OF TRAGIC DEATH OF KATO FAMILY IN 1937

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I first heard this story from M... I first heard this story from Masako Nakanishi, my mo-in-law. When she was age 7, she was escorted from Duvall, WA, to Hiroshima, Japan, with Rihichi and Suie Kato (parents of Enichi Kato) in 1916 for her education.
Sharon Komoto Kosai sent me these details yesterday, June 2024.
“Probably the most well-known story from Auburn Pioneer Cemetery involves the Kato family tragedy.  
  
The 1930s were difficult times for most Americans but for the Kato family, financial difficulties and apparent ill-health eventually became insurmountable. By 1937, suicide seemed the only way out. On Valentine’s Day, the wife and four children ingested sleeping pills and after falling into a deep sleep, were killed by the husband, Enichi.     
The original plan had Enichi following his loved ones into death but curiously, this never happened. Worrying that there would be no funeral markers for his family, he buried the bodies in the back yard and left for California. Presumably, he sought to earn enough to pay for individual headstones before taking his own life.  
  
Law enforcement officials eventually caught up with Enichi and he was sentenced to life in prison. “    http://www.auburnpioneercemetery.net/biographies/trees/kato.pdf
Daily News (Los Angeles), Volume 14, Number 158, 5 March 1937
"Suicide Guard Put Over Confessed Slayer of Family RICHMOND, Calif., March 4. (IXD A suicide guard was placed tonight around the cell of Enichi Kato, Japanese truck gardener, who confessed to a St. Valentines Day massacre" of his wife and four children In their Auburn, Wash., home. It was feared Kato might follow his original plan to take his own life to Join his family. He had' delayed suicide, ha told authorities, in order to earn sufficient money to give his family a decent burial. Officers art expected to reach here tomorrow from Auburn to take the gardener back to the scene of the slayings.”
 
I don't know the accuracy of this family tree: http://www.auburnpioneercemetery.net/biographies/trees/kato.pdf
Gloria Wakimura Shinkawa stopped by the Temple a few weeks ago. Her grandmother, Tora, was killed by the second husband, Enichi Kato.
 
In the early 1950s in my growing up years there was a husband and wife suicide. In both instances, it was sad, but there was not a lot of judgement. My guess is that times were difficult and many had thought about it being their own way out. The Japanese Heritage Values prevailed and the saying kept in mind: "Seven times down and Eight times up" was practiced!

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MORE CONVERSATIONS, LEARNING, CHOOSING TO WRITE IT DOWN!

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Walla Walla Community College,... Walla Walla Community College, story sharing noon hour.
Helped them commit to writing. Some committed to have more conversations with family.
As I went around the room and asked each person to first identify themselves and what their heritage was, I explained to them, "Research is suggesting we start with verbally sharing and remembering our growing up, for learning our inner landscape of 'who we are'."
 
Bruce Lipton talks about how we are a tape recorder until about 9 years old. We benefit from verbally talking about our memories and choosing which parts we want to keep. 
 
Further, according to David Brooks, NY Times writer and author, we benefit from writing thoughts down! This leads to more fulfillment in one's life!
 
I shared with the group a story of one of my presentations at a Kent, WA, grade school, I asked each pupil, "Who can you ask more about your heritage?" In our conversation one of the students answered, "My ancestor is Sacajewea!”  
 
I'm visiting various places in the state of Washington and no one has any hesitation about answering: "Where did you grow up?” 
 
What I find surprising is that very few of us have written it down. Our OMOIDE writing group MOTTO: "Write the bloody words down on the bloody paper!" This has been most fulfilling for me and puts me on the path my husband and I chose for our legacy!!!

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STORY OF KINDNESS IN QUINCY, WA

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Navaro family with Fred, the d... Navaro family with Fred, the day before
Fred went to the hospital and passed on.
 Carlos Navaro, his wife Rosa and their three children invited me to visit in their home. Carlos is from Mexico and lives in Quincy, Washington, a small town 150 miles east of Seattle.
 

Driving from evergreens to sage brush, from Seattle to Quincy to find stories connected to our Japanese heritage experience, I couldn’t help but remember my Japanese Immigrant Grandpa K. In the 1960s. He got so excited to bring his friends and relatives from Japan over the Cascade mountains and Snoqualmie Pass to show them the vastness of America and the farms that spread for miles, providing the very entrepreneurial Japanese immigrants the opportunities to get ahead in life. 
 

The Navaro family was excited to talk about my brother-in-law, Fred Goto, who lived next door. Rosa said, “I always waved out my kitchen window every day, making sure Fred was okay.”  
 

Carlos mowed Fred’s lawn the last three years before Fred passed in 2023 at age 92. After Fred died, Carlos continued to mow the lawn until the family sold the house several months later. I asked Carlos, “What is it in your up-bringing and culture that taught you to help your neighbors.”
 

Carlos immediately answered, “Where I’m from, we say ‘hello’ and greet everyone, even strangers. If anyone needs a bed for the night, we invite them into our home. My parents invited this person into our home when I was young and he’s the one who later sponsored me to come to Quincy.”  Carlos and Rosa met in Quincy and want an American education for their children who say they want to become doctors.
 

Carlos also explained, “Fred waved when we moved here and we began having conversations.” 
 

Now, I know why Fred, in our conversations in his later years, raved to me about how he admired the Mexican culture and their family ways.
 

Research is confirming the importance of neighbor to neighbor, friend to friend, in-person conversations. Story sharing leads to personal fulfillment and contributes to a better Washington State. I asked Carlos’s high school daughter, Valeria, if she would be willing to write their story for OMOIDE VII. She has agreed. 
 

OMOIDE writers, in the last 30 years, have published books with personal stories of dealing with discrimination, incarceration and hardships with resilience. OMOIDE VII seeks stories of those who helped each other during hard times that SPREAD RIPPLES OF COMPASSION AND KINDNESS.
 

Going further to Eastern Washington, I found great conversations in Moses Lake and Spokane,. “Doing what’s right”, “Hard Work”, “Not showing off”, “Doing what’s good for the community”, “TAKING CARE OF FAMILY”; are words I kept hearing about the Japanese Immigrants, their children. Honoring those that helped them in the greater community was never forgotten.
 

The 1980 US census was analyzed by the Washington State Department of Education in 1990. Those with Japanese Heritage were at the top in per-capita income and white collar jobs. It is because of their “Japanese Heritage Values”. I want these stories to motivate listeners and readers of these stories as the OMOIDE VII books are distributed to school libraries around our State, Starting with 12-yr-olds, I want stories that will inspire them to help their neighbors and wave to strangers.

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STORIES OF COMPASSION AND GENEROSITY FOR OMOIDE VII

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Spreading ripples of neighbor ... Spreading ripples of neighbor to neighbor stories that bring community together and creating "family" in Washington State and beyond!
Last Saturday, June 8, 2024, my OMOIDE VII - Kip Tokuda Memorial Grant Project assistant, Erika, accompanied me as I drove from Seattle to Spokane. Crossing from evergreens to sage brush, Erika had a lot of comments. I couldn’t help but share, “In the 1960s, my Grandpa Kay was always so excited to bring his friends and relatives from Japan over Snoqualmie Pass to show them the vastness of America and the farms that went for miles.”
 

Sunday, when I presented at Highland Japanese Methodist Church in Spokane, I explained, “Incarceration of Japanese with as little as 1/16th Japanese Heritage during WWII was wrong and must not be forgotten. OMOIDE writers have produced several books in the past 30 years with our personal stories of dealing with discrimination, incarceration and hardships with resilience. For OMOIDE VII, we want to find stories of those who helped each other during hard times and SPREAD RIPPLES OF COMPASSION AND KINDNESS.”
 

As I had conversations with a couple dozen people, not just Japanese, this past week in Spokane, Moses Lake, Quincy and Ellensburg; “Doing what’s right”, “Hard Work”, “Not showing off”, “Doing what’s good for the community without public recognition”, “TAKING CARE OF FAMILY”; are the words I kept hearing about the Issei (immigrants born in Japan) and Nisei (children of Issei) from their Japanese Heritage descendants I am chatting with around Washington State communities. I also heard those same words from the Caucasians, Latinos, Pacific Islanders at the hotel in Spokane and Carmen with native Indian heritage in Ellensburg.
 

Japanese immigrants felt it normal and necessary to be poor and do “dirty work” jobs as part of fitting in to a community. In Japan, cultural and arts education, as well as all the working skills, included a period of being an “indentured servant” to the head of the family or master of the arts.
 

Arts and Culture were brought to a PhD level during the 200 year Edo period, of 1600 to 1868AD with the creation of a closed society nation. That society had Samurai Class at the top, farmers next and merchants third. Famers were valued because they provided the necessary rice and food.
 

Three Japanese sailors shipwrecked at Near Bay on the Olympic Peninsula - Northwest tip of Washington State in 1832. Immigration to Washington State began in the 1880s and increased in the 1890s, after the 1882 exclusion of Chinese. The cost of the voyage and passport - requiring a return ticket to Japan - was close to a year’s salary in Japan. Most of the immigrants came from well established family situations to make money in America and bring it home to their family in Japan.
 

Visiting smaller Washington farming communities, it is clear the Immigrants, who chose to stay in America, were entrepreneurial and mostly from the Samurai/farming educated class. Being indentured servants and getting along while learning the best ways to get ahead in America, was their way. A legacy for future generations was also key - this included a college education and creating “their American family” as they integrated and established themselves in communities. 
 

“GAMAN” - A Japanese word meaning patience, endurance, perseverance, tolerance, self-control, self-denial. Gaman is family practiced, expected as a strong community value wherever  we are. Japanese immigrants are trained with these skills, taught today by Success Training Leaders. Gaman was also true for European Immigrants to start. Like football rivalry, name calling and discriminatory tactics is also used to psychologically put the competition down. 
 

The 1980 US census was analyzed by the Washington State Department of Education. The report gave statistics for several ethnic groups. Those with Japanese Heritage were at the top in per-capita income and white collar jobs, but were next to American Indians in out-marrying, speaking their native language the least and had the least children. With indication of ethnic suicide, I chose to help create the Japanese Culture and Community Center of Washington and document the Japanese Experience in the Pacific Northwest with OMOIDE.

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ANOTHER TIME OF SADNESS

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Messages from the clouds as ... Messages from the clouds as we drive home from Quincy.
The shock of the news that Andy Goto was gone brought tears, but the sadness needed connections and discussions. Who can I call, who doesn’t mind being bothered? 
 

Simon Sinek gives an example of his friend who text something like, “Let me know when you have time.” Sinek didn’t respond immediately because it sounded like a “whenever you have a free evening message”. He thought about it and realized that no matter how busy, like being in a meeting, one has time for a quick interruption. Sinek also has research that indicates 5-8 minutes of connection and talk is all most people need to modify emotions.
 

Therefore, the suggestion is to set up a code with friends, “Do you have 5 minutes?” 
 

Andy had been told he was cancer free after a year of chemo. He went golfing last Tuesday. Thursday morning he walked up to the pool area to take care of some things. He came home and was cold so decided to take a hot bath. His wife, Beryl came home around noon and found him gone. 
 

All of our Seattle family took the time to drive the two and a half hours to Quincy this past weekend and spent the afternoon eating and celebrating Andy’s life. Amazing how good it feels to talk. I think it doesn’t even matter if the subject gets to being irrelevant to the situation. 
 

I’m remembering how heavy my arms felt the couple days after Andy passed and the impact of Sam’s brothers, Henry, Fred and Andy also leaving in these last two years. We are the oldies of the clan, so many of our friends of over 50 years are passing monthly. 
 

I don’t want to just talk about “sadness”. It helps to just plain have discussions about life. Now as I write for my blog, my arms feel so much lighter for having had a weekend with family and friends. 

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STORY SHARING

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START OF OMOIDE (MEMORIES... START OF OMOIDE (MEMORIES) WRITING IN 1991
L to R: Dee Goto, Margaret Yasuda, Chuck Kato, Del Uchida
All of life seeks food, protection from danger and reproduction, but humans are the only ones that can tell stories. Secondly, connecting with others in conversation helps us understand ourselves better. 
 

One day in 1970, I got a phone call from University of Washington Professor of Psychiatry, Minoru Masuda, asking me to take a part time job collecting documentation on the Japanese Experience in the Pacific Northwest. Min Masuda, Frank Miyamoto, professor of Social Studies and Rich Berner, creator of Suzallo Library Archives, had collaborated and found a grant to start the “Japanese Collection” for Special Collections at the Archives.
 

My degree was in nursing and I was new to the Seattle area. With two preschool daughters, had no desire to work outside the home and had no thought or interest in history. I answered, “No!” And hung up the wall phone in the kitchen of our Capitol Hill home.
 

A day or two later, my husband, Sam, unbeknownst to me at that time, did have interest in history and talked me into calling back and taking the job.
 

I did find documents and interviewed around 30 Japanese community leaders. Some of the tapes have been translated, digitized and are accessible with internet. I fell in love with history!
 

Funding ran out with the Special Collections project. Twenty years later in 1991, I decided, instead of just collecting, to create documentation. Chuck Kato, Margaret Yasuda, Del Uchida and me; gathered in my Mercer Island house kitchen and shared stories to start. We gradually wrote down some of the stories. Christmas 1993, I used Pagemaker to edit, went to Kinko to print and made booklet covers with construction paper. We called it OMOIDE (memories) - Volume I and passed out the booklets to family and friends as presents.
 

OMOIDE writers continue to meet monthly in 2024 at the Japanese Cultural and Community Center of Washington, and we are seeking stories for OMOIDE VII. Previous OMOIDE publications feature memories, with stories of difficult times with immigration, discrimination, incarceration and post WWII resettlement.
 

With a 2024 Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction - KIP TOKUDA MEMORIAL grant, we continue gathering stories of the Japanese experience. But we also seek stories from all individuals in Washington who have demonstrated compassion and gratitude, neighbor to neighbor, during difficult times.
 

We want stories from several Washington State locations. Similar to how OMOIDE started in 1991, we start with conversations. The quest for stories is driven by the belief that tales of compassion, resilience and human connection in trying times are invaluable human purpose activities. We want to find stories that cultivate empathy and understanding with a 12-year-old, when OMOIDE VII is distributed to school libraries around Washington State, to PASS ON RIPPLES OF COMPASSION AND GENEROSITY.

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REMEMBERING SAM GOTO - NANAKAIKI

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Dragonfly landed on Nephew B... Dragonfly landed on Nephew Brent's shirt just before Sam's Interment ceremony got started and stayed until the service was over.
Compelling spiritual significance!!
Sam's stone marker created f... Sam's stone marker created for his ashes and put in place at Kent Hillcrest Cemetery.
"HERITAGE PRIDE, TOMORROW'S GUIDE"
The base holding the stone marker has the Goto family crest on the left and Miyamoto family crest on the right.
 This year, 2024, will be the seventh year since Sam passed. Eighteen of us gathered at the Hillcrest Cemetery for a "nanakaiki" (seventh year Japanese memorial ceremony), installment of the stone marker and interment of Sam's ashes. Sister Irene, provided us with some chanting and a short ceremony. It was meaningful.
 
As we were arranging the urn with the ashes, picture, and flowers for the ceremonial table, Brent noticed a dragonfly had landed on his chest area. We felt it was somewhat meaningful at the time. Heidi immediately  proclaimed, "For sure, Sam is here with us and visiting us from the other side!!!"  It flew away as we completed burning incense and laying flowers with the urn.
 
As we gathered for lunch at the Tokyo Restaurant in Factoria, we fulfilled the reason for having memorials with food and conversation.  Looking up the significance of dragonflies, several cultures consider them spiritually significant as symbols of change and new beginnings. 
 
Lynette, our older daughter, flew in from Burbank, Andy and Beryl drove over from Quincy. I flew  back from from a visit to Walla Walla that got me home at 6am this morning.
 
The purpose of the trip to Walla Walla was to find stories for OMOIDE VII. I am administrating an OSPI - Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction - Kip Tokuda Memorial Grant.  What I am finding as I have these sessions of conversation around the state is similar to why memorials are important. Sharing our "Heritage Values" is what each of us can do with having one-on-one conversations. I know this is one way I can fulfill my purpose in life and maybe influence a few others to do the same.  
 

I'm smiling as I feel the Love and Fulfillment of Sam and my commitment to passing on some of  our heritage values to our future generations. Maybe Sam sent the dragonfly or visited. What do you think?
 
 

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